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AV MAC "BROKEN GAMES" LIST
[last update: 02-JUN-1994
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There are THREE parts to the list, all in alphabetical order by game name:
changes from the last release (<new> is an addition, <mod> means some kind
of status change); games with problems; and games that are suspect. The
list ends with general info about the Mac sound problem and a widespread
problem with Sierra games followed by credits. This list includes the
contents of a similar list maintained on CompuServe by Steve Kim over in
the UK. Please email updates to me at lev@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov ...thanks!
==========================
CHANGES FROM LAST VERSION
-------------------------
new format in general
Bane of the Cosmic Forge <mod>
Jump Raven CD-ROM <new>
OXYD <mod>
URL for Shanghai II fix <mod>
GAMES WITH PROBLEMS
-------------------
4D Boxing
CRASHES; reports that it works on a 660AV by setting volume to zero
Arashi (aka "Storm")
CRASHES; some reports that v1.1a works on a 660AV when "System 6.0.7
sounds" is selected from the config screen when the game starts up;
others say setting sound to zero fixes the problem.
Bane of the Cosmic Forge
CRASHES; no fix yet...
Battle Chess
Older versions aren't 32-bit clean and die; only one report of trouble
with the "enhanced" (CD-ROM) version.
Chuck Yeager's AFT Flight Simulator
Works, but NO SOUND; no fix yet...
Crystal Quest
Martin W. reports no sound on an 840AV
Curse of the Azure Bonds
works, but NO SOUND; no fix yet...
Dark Queen of Krynn
works, but NO SOUND; no fix yet...
Dungeon of Doom 4.0
Michael W. reports it consistently crashes his 840AV
Falcon MC
Version 1.0.1 fixed the problems for some users. A new patch is
supposed to be available now that fixed it for everyone.
Heaven & Earth
SoundManager 3.0 incompatible; Buena Vista software is "contemplating"
an update. Some users report that it works OK if you turn off the '040
cache and/or remove the startup "snd" resource.
Hell Cab
FIX AVAILABLE! Send your "broken" disk in its case to: Time-Warner
Interactive Group, 2210 W. Olive Ave, Burbank, CA 91506, ATTN: Don
Godwin. They'll send you back the "new" version. NOTE: if you send the
CD in its "jewel box" case, make sure you let TWI know you want it back,
or they'll return the new disk in an envelope instead!
HellCats / LeyteGulf
Work okay but NO SOUND; working patches for these games are available!
The Hellcats patch must be applied to version 1.0.3, and the Leyte patch
must be applied to version 1.0.1. (These patches will *probably* work
on PPC Macs!) The patches were posted to AOL on April 14th, and are now
propagating across the 'net. NOTE: using the "Get info" only returns
"Ver. 1.0" on both games, but this isn't the true version number! You
have to use the "About..." choice under the Apple Menu AFTER starting
the game, and look in the corner of the artwork to get the true version.
HemiRoids 1.0
Soundmanager 3 incompatibility FIXED in version 1.1!
Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis
Reports of crashes as soon as Indy goes thru the window in the opening
sequence, crashes on games being saved, crashes when saved games are
re-opened, and crashes if drive-monitoring extensions are installed.
The game should work if the "sAVe the disk" extension is installed.
Iraq Attack 1.0.2
CRASHES due to SoundManager 3 incompatibility; no fix yet...
Jeopardy
Final Jeopardy questions get garbled and the sound is weird. FIXED in
version 1.0.1. Gametek will send you a new working version if you send
them the master disk.
Lemmings
Both the AV problem and a copy protection bug are FIXED in v1.5.2; to
receive the upgrade send proof of purchase (e.g., a photocopy of the
front page of the manual or disk) OR the original program disk, and a
check for US$5 to Psygnosis Ltd., 675 Massachussetts Avenue, Cambridge
MA 02139. [information comes from psygtech@psygnosis.com]
Lucas Arts Mac CD Game Pack II
CRASHES; SoundManager 3.0 incompatible
Lunicus
The newest version (1.2?) seems to run okay. Meanwhile, the AV fix is
available; Cyberflix has placed it on Compuserve (the path may be Mac
entertainment/game aids/addons/LunicusAV.fix), and were "trying" to get
it onto AOL.
Mille Bornes (v1.2.1)
Crashes if you leave the sound on; works well with sound off.
Moonbase
CRASHES; SoundManager 3 incompatible; no fix (some users report no
problems, while I can't get it to run on my 660AV).
Net Trek 3.0
Michael W. reports it consistently crashes his 840AV
Out Of This World
Several users found that menu bar access caused crashes. If you use
ResEdit to add command keys to the basic menu items (New Game, Open
Game, etc.) it's okay. This was FIXED in v1.0.2! An updater is
available via anonymous FTP from sumex-aim.stanford.edu; look in
info-mac/game/com for a file called "ootw-10-to-102-updater.hqx ".
Oxyd
The AV problem is FIXED in the current version (3.6); if you can't find
a copy on the net, you can contact from Dongleware at 617-497-1130.
Pax Imperia
Some users report that this dies on an 840AV as soon as you try to view
the surface of a planet. There are reports that you can do a fix "...by
hacking the SND resource for the title music with ResEdit, and click on
the 'Preload' checkbox."
Pool of Radiance
Works okay but NO SOUND; no fix yet...
Pools of Darkness
Works okay but NO SOUND; no fix yet...
Populous
Works okay but NO SOUND; Electronic Arts says they know it doesn't like
AV Macs but had no comment on whether or not a fix will be attempted...
Rescue 1.5.1
FIXED in version 1.6 (availability, folks?)
Rise of the Dragon
Works okay but NO SOUND; no fix yet...
Robosport
Some reports of trouble on a 660AV; Maxis reports that setting the
system to 16 colors before starting the game may fix the trouble.
Sands of Fire
M. Wellman reports that v1.1 has no sound on an 840AV.
Secret of the Silver Blades
Works okay but NO SOUND; no fix yet...
Shanghai II
A fix is available for the sound and "some other bugs"; the URL for
Info-Mac (you should probably try an info-mac mirror!) is:
ftp://sumex-aim.stanford.edu/info-mac/game/com/shanghai-ii-105-updt.hqx
Sky Shadow
Martin W. reports no sound (forgot which version) on an 840AV.
Space Quest IV
Works okay but NO SOUND; no fix yet...
Spaceship Warlock
An AV-compatible version is now available ("for a small fee"). You can
contact Reactor at: Reactor, 445 West Erie, Chicago, IL 60610 or call
312-573-0800 or fax 312-573-0891.
Sperm from Space
As embarassing as the name of this one is, it was always worthwhile
showing jaded game-players... but now it be dead.
Strategic Conquest
Martin W. reports v2.0 has no sound on an 840AV
Super Tetris
Works okay but NO SOUND; no fix yet...
Tetris
Works okay but NO SOUND; no fix yet...
Tetris 2000
Works okay but NO SOUND; no fix yet...
Unlimited Adventures
Works okay but NO SOUND; no fix yet...
V for Victory
CRASHES; should be OK if you set the sound to zero when starting.
Valkyrie
Reports of all except training mission freezing on 660AV; Gametek is
supposed to be working on a fix.
Vette! and ColorVette!
CRASHES; Spectrum HoloByte says no fix is planned.
Virtual Valerie (the "regular" version)
CRASHES; there's supposed to be an AV-compatible version somewhere...
Virtual Valerie II
OOPS! It looks like it *does* lose sound! (bummer...)
Welltris
Works okay but NO SOUND; no fix yet...
Where in Time is Carmen Sandiego
Works okay but NO SOUND; no fix yet... see notes below concerning other
games in this series.
Wordtris
Works okay but NO SOUND; no fix yet...
GAMES WITH *POSSIBLE* PROBLEMS
------------------------------
Bolo (some reports of crashes)
Roughly equal "dead" and "not dead" reports; one user reports it works
(but is boring!) if you remove all the sounds.
C.H.A.O.S. Continuum
Reports of SoundManager 3.0 problems.
Darkseed
Reports of crash problems on 660AV
Dr. Macinto
Roughly equal "dead" and "not dead" reports; user reports that it works
on an 840AV with version 1.1 of the the 088 enabler.
GuySpy
Some reports the manufacturer said this game wasn't designed to run on
any '040-based system. Some users report only minor problems.
Journeyman Project
Reports of sound-based problems on 660AV
Jump Raven (CD-ROM)
Reports of no sound on a Power Macintosh 6100/60 AV.
LOOM
Reports of "spotty sound problems", but they don't seem to hinder
operation of the game.
Secret of Monkey Island
Reports of crashes immediately after the intro; also reports of it
running fine with sound off.
Seek 'N' Destroy
Reports of crash problems with this "Battleship" clone.
Sparkz
Possible SoundManager 3 incompatibility
Star Trek 25th Anniversary
Reports of crashes on startup (temporarily fixed after re-install)
with "coprocessor not installed" message; crashes upon opening saved
scenario (fixed after re-install); sporadic sound problems.
Stellar 7
Some reports of crash problems or control problems.
Where in the [USA / World] is Carmen Sandiego
User reports system hangs as you type in the first detective character
name on both games (even with v1.5 upgrade of "World").
Xplora 1 (Peter Gabriel CD-ROM)
Works fine using the HyperCard player on the CD, but there are reports
of crashes using other versions of the HC Player.
NOTE ON "BROKEN SOUND" PROBLEM
------------------------------
SoundManager 3.0 can't be removed to "fix" the sound it's in the AV Macs;
ROMs (besides, it's in the new Macs), so get used to bugging your favorite
games' makers for fixes! Also, the AV Macs don't use the sound sound chip
as other Macs; their DSP chip does the work, so if a manufacturer violated
Apple guidelines and wrote directly to the (nonexistent) chip... oops...
NOTE ON PROBLEMS WITH SIERRA GAMES
----------------------------------
Many Sierra games had a bug that kills them if your system clock shows a
date after September 17, 1993; patches are available at various Internet
sites, or send Sierra a letter and request a patch for your game: Sierra
On-Line Patch Disk, Dept. 10, PO Box 485, Coarsegold CA 93614-0485
CREDIT GIVEN WHERE CREDIT DUE
-----------------------------
First, extra-big, extra-special thanks to James Wang at Berkeley and
Stephen Kim in the U.K. for their AV game lists, commentaries, and help in
getting this list off the ground and keeping it useful! Also, thanks are
due to all those netters who have helped update this list, including (but
not limited to): Joe Bisson; Erich Bratton; Peter Cohen; Laurent Daudelin;
John Allan Dunning; Feihong@eskimo.com; Mark Haynes; David Heimbach; Eric
Holdrinet; John Hutchinson; Micah Johnson; Bruce Kahn; Bob Knowlden;
Mychael Mai; Mark Murgittroyd; Michael Pazzani; Eric Perlman; Ed Seiler;
Chris Weiss; Michael Wellman; Martin Won; and many, many others!